Election triggers gun debate
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BY BOB KASARDA
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| Wednesday, November 12, 2008 | (23 comment(s))

Like other gun shop owners across the country, Lester Blythe has seen a jump in gun sales at both his Valparaiso and Griffith stores since last week's election.

The customers are primarily interested in buying protection-style weapons, as compared to hunting guns, he said.

Fueling this rush is fear that tighter gun legislation is on the way now that Democrats won the White House and strengthened their dominance in Congress, Blythe said.

The fears are not unfounded, he said, considering the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, enacted a 10-round capacity on new semi-automatic weapons. There is talk of that limit being reintroduced, he said, as well as a tax increase on ammunition.

While the election has clearly reignited the debate over gun control, it is less clear what, if any changes will be pursued by President-elect Obama and his fellow Democrats in Congress.

On the day before last week's election, the National Rifle Association paid to stuff issues of The Times into a plastic bag containing the messages, "Vote freedom first," "Defend freedom," and "Defeat Obama."

As part of the same campaign, the NRA hosts a Web site, gunbanobama.com, that warns Obama would be the most anti-gun president in American history and accuses him of refusing to speak directly about his stand on Second Amendment Rights.

The NRA offices were closed Tuesday for Veterans Day and no one was available for comment.

Attempts to reach a spokesperson for Obama also were unsuccessful, but he too maintains a Web site, fightthesmears.com/articles/17/NRAflyer, calling the NRA's campaign against him "dishonest," "cowardly" and lacking facts.

The Web site includes a link to an interview in Field & Stream magazine where Obama acknowledges the Second Amendment is an individual right and says law-abiding gun owners can't be prevented from hunting or protecting their families. But he also said, "it doesn't mean that we can't have some common-sense gun control legislation," such as background checks.

Obama said he considers the assault weapon ban as part of the common sense approach since guns such as the AK-47 and vest-piercing bullets are generally used to hurt people.

Porter County Republican Chairman Chuck Williams, a gun owner and hunter, said there were enough pro-gun Democrats elected this time around, especially from the south, that he has hope there will not be any sweeping gun-control legislation.

"I don't think there's a liberal consensus in Congress," he said.

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JS wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:25 PM:

" Ban hi-capacity mags and semi-autos? Great! Why stop there? SUV's have no place on the roads with smaller cars. Why does one need a gas guzzling assault vehicle? Ban those. Why does a family of 4 need a house with over 2500 square feet, when there are people starving and homeless? Ban those. Why do we need alcohol? All the DUI drivers, addiction, and health problems prove that there is no redeeming merits of alcohol. Ban it. Then, after we are all snug and safe in our defenseless little homes, sipping a decaf tea and ordering new seat covers for our hybrid car, we can all join together and sing praise to our new messiah, Barack Obama.

The scary part is, there were many of you Obama Kool-aid drinkers actually nodding your heads in agreement until this sentence............... "

Just a Liberal wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 PM:

" OK, I'm a Liberal. And I used to be very pro-gun control. Then I began to understand the Constitution.

Let's get it straight my friends, the Second Amendment isn't about the rights of hunters. We all have a natural right to hunt to feed ourselves and our families. We all have a natural right to protect ourselves, our families and our property. Those have been the rules since the beginning.

The Second Amendment is all about our rights as citizens to protect ourselves from tyranny, insurrection, or an outside enemy. The Founding Fathers wanted us to defend ourselves, our families, our friends and neighbors, and our property.

So let it be known that we all need to have an uninfringed right to arms. I want at least two, please. "

Get Over It wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:39 PM:

" The Supreme Court decided much of the issue in Heller. You may not "ban" a certain type of firearm, that is clearly coming. The 2nd amendment applies to the states, that is coming like a freight train regardless of who is president. Therefore, any attempt to impose any type of firearms control much be viewed through the prism of Heller decision, and consequently, suspect. "

Betty Whacker wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:49 PM:

" Mr. President Elect:
Please just come out and have a news conference to let everyone know that you are not going to take away my rights to own my gun.
Sound like a logical solution?
The frenzy may just stop? "

R Dub wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:09 PM:

" OK let me clarify something. I am not "gun crazed" nor am I stock piling guns and ammo for the new revolution.

Nor do I live in fear that an Obama led government will be going door to door to confiscate guns & render us powerless.

Having said that I understand why the 2nd amendment is there and feel strongly that it is something that should not be trifled with.

The problem is within our society not the tools we use to tear each other down. It is simplistic and plain silly to think that making it harder to obtain a gun (legally) will somehow change crime.

If someone wants an illegal gun they can find one. Just like drugs, fake IDs, stolen TVs & whatever else you are not supposed to have. If there is a market for it someone will fill the need.

Its absolutely naive to think that any BS Bill passed by Congress will change that and gun violence will go away. "

Guns are useless wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:00 PM:

" IF "the government" ever came after a particular person, for whatever reason, the power of any type of weapon they had would dwarf whatever weapons you have.
Just exactly what are you doing behind those closed doors that you are so afraid 'someone' is coming to get you? Face it - the government can control you if they want - however, the government is us, it's you - if you vote. The government has bigger issues to resolve than coming after you. Spend your money on something that can benefit you, and calm down before you go wacko and start shooting. "

SwagerLikeUs wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:54 PM:

" To Rick-Obama listening to Us? Will that be in the same way that Bush illegally wiretaped whoever he wanted? I guess that's ok though since he was "fighting terror" and a Republican though right?
And to R-Dub, your right, certain people should not be allowed to vote. Particuarly those who voted for Palin because she hunts or those who voted against Obama because he is half-black. Oops, I mean half-WHITE.
And I do firmly believe in ALL of The Ammendments and The Constiution. However, The British are not coming so you can settle down a bit. "

justice for some wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:33 PM:

" to all the "gun crazed" people who are responding here... are you protecting me in your fight "when the government stips away your rights to protect yourself"? I think not. The criminals are stealing your guns because you aren't protecting them and the government is not punishing "straw purchers" enough. I suppose if you think you need enough firearms in your house to arm an army-- maybe it's not about self protection. "

R Dub wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:27 PM:

" to "Problem with Obama"

First let me say that 200 words per post can't possibly cover the "problems with Obama".

But I digress - taxation on ammunition & firearms is already in place. It's called the Pittman-Robertson Act. 11% of all Gun & Ammunition sales goes directly back to the FWS.

It does not go into law enforcement, it goes back to the environment. I don't think its fair to tax (more) the honest law abiding citizen who purchases firearms or ammunition legally. Why should I pay extra so the police can catch the ILLEGAL gun users?

As for the mandatory gun training, I get your theory but its just not feasable. Being a bad shot doesn't disqualify you from participating in hunting for instance. Believe me I can be a bad shot. But hey that means I buy more shells & more taxes going back to the resource right?

Put it this way, if competence were a requiremant on things then half the population wouldn't be allowed to drive cars....or vote for that matter. "

Details wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:41 AM:

" s2433 makes no mention of arms. Did you forget the UN Millennium Declaration? That contains the bans on small arms you mentioned. "

Problem with obama... wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:37 AM:

" His thought of "Common Sense" approach would assume that you were working with people that had common sense. When it comes to "their guns" people use excuses like "What if I don't hit the guy with the first 10 shots" and "What if he is wearing a police issued bullet proof vest". Want a common sense approach... tax the ammo like you do cigarettes. Use the tax to enforce the laws. Put laws in place to keep people that don't want to carry guns, and people like the police as safe as we can. Perhaps throw in some manditory gun training so they won't "miss with the first 10 shots" "

R Dub wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:26 AM:

" TAX PAYER & Other Liberal Anti's -

It's the second amendment, right there after free speech. Thats how important the men who founded this great country thought it was.

It's one of the vital freedoms that our Veterans have fought to protect for over 200 years and that our surrent soldiers protect today. Yesterday we celebrated their sacrifices. And every day we should thank them for protecting our freedom & rights as a people.

Bad people will always do bad things. Guns will never dissapear. Understand that please.

The only thing restrictive gun laws will do is keep law abiding, responsible people from having them. And leave them helpless to defend themselves against those who do.


Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Benjamin Franklin

If you are a conservative at 20, you have no heart. If you are a liberal at 40, you have no brain.

- Winston Churchill "

J wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:52 AM:

" History is rife with examples of authoritarian governments who, once they'd stripped their citizens of the right to defend themselves, systematically removed the rest of their liberties along with it. "

amazed wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:33 AM:

" To TAX PAYER: Please don't embarass yourself with stupid comments. Mental Stability? Who are you or anyone else to say if someone wanting to carry a firearm is "stable" the day of testing or may become unstable? Times have changed in case you didn't notice, a malitia was for quelling any governmental uprising. Now, carrying a firearm is for staying safe in an unsafe country. The criminals are the ones with illegal guns and are not reluctant to use them against anyone. None of these criminals care whether you live or die. If you live thinking these so called "rules" will change a thing, your wrong. Why would anyone pay fees to fund your right to defend yourself? It's not a regulated malitia, it's a way of life and safety especially in the Region. "

Fed up wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 AM:

" There's enough gun laws out there,most of the time offenders get gun charges dropped for lesser pleas. Push for those laws to be upheld,as well as who illegally sold the guns to them.Think about this, The woman and her son who were killed by a repeat offender drunk driver. Should we now ban cars? It's an inanimate object,and when used safely and properly,it can be fun and useful,sittng in front of your house it won't kill anyone.Same with a gun they don't kill,people kill,more laws and bans don't stop that.Bad people just don't care,that's the fact. "

Rick wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:15 AM:

" Tax Payer wants to restrict our exercise of the 2nd Amendment. I ask why just the 2nd? Let's restrict the 1st Amendment as well, then you'll be required to have a license to speak!

Don't think it can't happen here, Obama's civilian security forces will be watching what you say. "

If I know .... wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:41 AM:

" how to shoot and handle the gun correctly, I should be able to own a gun.

The people who obtain guns legally are the one following the rules. We buy our license, we have the knowledge to be responsible with them,we know how to store them and we know when and where to shoot them.

The gang bangers and people who buy guns off the streets are the ones causing problems, and shooting up young kids. Do something about them first then come and talk to me. "

Common Sense wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Joe Average could not have said it better.
These people need to read the Declaration of Independence as well, particularly the part noting when any form of Government becomes destructive. "

Thank GOD wrote on Nov 12, 2008 8:16 AM:

" that TAX PAYER was not born in the 1700's, and had no part in the drafting of our REVOLUTIONARY REPUBLIC'S CONSTITUTION - Amen!

during clinton's presidency gun sales went through the roof. I suspect a repeat. "

Joe Average wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:40 AM:

" I guess before the masses start filling this stream with emotion and misinformation, I'll clear things up a bit.
Yes, the Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution. They are the first ten amendments. Google "the Constitution" and read for yourself.
The founding fathers knew that one of the first moves leaders and oppressors make to control the masses is to disarm them. There are numerous examples throughout history, even in America.
The right to keep and bear arms not only made sure people had the ability to sustain themselves, but protect themselves from their government.
Why would we be concerned about this in America? Because it's happened time and again here already.
Not buying it? Okay. I wish you would have noticed. But consider that there is a movement to keep us scared, promote appathy, dumb down America, take away our ability to sustain ourselves by working in good paying jobs, eliminate the middle class, strip Americans of their rights and shift power to massive corporations, industry groups and foreign countries.
Guns are not the cause of crime, but they're an easier target than societal problems. "

Festivus wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:22 AM:

" Look up and read the global poverty act senate bill 2433 (S2433) Obama sponsered the bill, Biden pushing the bill with lugar. The ban on small arms is coming! "

Guns dont kill people wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:14 AM:

" leave the guns alone and focus on the real problems such as our economy, overspending by the gov, and gov corruption. "

TAX PAYER wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:42 AM:

" We need guns to be licensed like cars and trucks. Right now we don't even enforce the rules we have because law enforcement is not fully funded to do this. Gun owners should pay a yearly fee to fund this enforcement. People should have to show through a hands on test and inspection they know what they are doing when it comes to owning, using, and storing guns. They should also have to take a test to show mental stability. Now thats how you have a well regulated malitia. "

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